album cover, leonard cohen from 'songs of love and hate', 1971
CHAPTER TWO - Leonard Cohen
That night that you planned to go clear, Did you ever go clear?"
No reactive mind
Free of all time
Put me down, I won't fall over
Even at a funeral.
Lock of hair behind your own little window, holy relic of the delusional donor,
I love you, hair, for who you are.
Are you sad? Is Jane sad? Is Leonard sad?
Will Leonard get under hairperson's skin?
No one, hardly, (it's single figures, if anyone at all)
Is free of thoughts unkind.
But hair knows something.
in a pot?
(Rainbows are viewer-specific)
Here is the big truth:
Everything comes from nothing.
you have just make me realise that rainbows are a particularly good symbol in this instance, because, as you say, that truth is so often viewer specific. i'm going to look for definitions of truth...
true : in accordance with fact or reality
... mmm! the oxford dictionary not really helping. (clearly a bit behind the times...;)
because as we were saying, lots of truth is subjective, it is seen through somebodies eyes, filtered by their perceptions, experiences and beliefs. my experience is mine and your experience is yours. i can only experience you though my experience or you, not you through you yourself. and visa versa.
maybe i'm interested in perception when that perception is reached through a clarity, insight, non-defensive, wiseness and logic. i think i enjoy that kind of truth! ;) anyway, i know when i hear or find truth cos it shines in a different colour!
absolute truth: The Absolute is the concept of an unconditional reality which transends limited, conditional, everyday existence
mmm, i think i like truth that is a bit closer to 'absolute truth'..! (but then my ex-boyfriend did use to say 'you want the moon on a stick'...) hee hee :)
sorry, neil, not quite sure what this is referring to ? ;)
...And what does wanting a moon on a stick mean exactly?
If you had the moon on a stick and you took a lick, what would it taste of?
chalk...but the moon on a stick is not not strickly for eating...
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"did you ever go clear"? leonard cohen
there is some discussion about what leonard meant when he said the words, 'did you ever go clear'. there is some support that the 'clear' he was talking about came from launguage used in scientology.
Scientology's big-carrot, (there's only one bigger*), "Clear" mind (achieved by deprogramming workshops etc, estimated cost, $128,000) perceives reality without distorting filters, i.e. the Truth, but has such a mind ever actually existed?
"A Clear is a being who no longer has his own reactive mind, and therefore suffers none of the ill effects the reactive mind can cause. The Clear has no engrams which, when restimulated, throw out the correctness of his computations by entering hidden and false data."
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For me, being present is synonymous with being true.
Occasionally, every now and then, I feel like I am present in the present... not interfering, not not interfering...
Relaxed. Alert. Just being.
Just not looking for my keys.
But a dog is never going to understand the internal combustion engine.
I was once fancied myself a guru, other people even fancied me a guru! Now I am meek and humble...
interesting point, and more interesting, how does it effect them...maybe they havent got the levels that we do and which can make things uncomfortable for us?
Magpies have been shown to possess self-awareness, possibly connected with their covert collections of shiny loot....
When an animal experiences trauma it feels it, it trembles and shakes and the trauma dissipates. Humans, according to this model, don't do this. The model doesn't explain why we developed this quirk, though... Civilisation? Personally, I tremble quite easily nowadays!
i think that with awareness comes the ability to make things voluntary (rather than involuntary). for example, most of the systems within the body are involuntary (digestion, circulation etc). but breathing is both voluntary and involuntary, we have some control over it and also it can do it without our conscious help.
i think our awareness picks up on the involuntary protective mechanisms you talk about and starts mimicing them, well after their natrual sell by date.
is it nice, self awareness?
I'm not sure - I think the splinting reflex model suggests that it is through awareness that the stupid body (autonomic nervous system?) can be redirected (reminded).
Anyway pondering and back to your words on absolute truth, I remembered radical feminist theologian Mary Daly, (dead at 81) who redefined god as a verb.
as a verb..? 'to god, i god, you god, they god'... how does that work please :)
well i doubt whe died of starvation ;) hee hee
Here works included: "Amazon Grace: Re-Calling the Courage to Sin Big."
Perhaps you could say something about transcendence.
this makes me laugh...mmm,,, transcendence***not sure...
what would you like to say about it? :)
As we were contemplating absolute truth, my inner eyes were already pointing heavenwards, towards the blinding bright light of enlightenment, so the moon was suggesting herself to me on your stick as absolute truth on a stick! The expression initially brought to mind the pop star Prince (who wrote this song about losing loveMadonna (or Kylie?) once referred to him as Sex on a Stick. So I guess that was influencing my perception of your moon.
on my wall for a long time, in which a figure attempts to reach the moon with the aid of a very long ladder. I can't remember whose aspirational zeal it referenced, mine or my partner's, probably both, but I remember that her untamed, uncompromising and passionate desire for the moon wrought terrible destruction on us both! Blake did his engraving at the height of the French revolutionary terror.
Thanks. I like yours too.